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Confidence, Communication, and Connection
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Welcome Back With Nora
SPEAKER_00Welcome to the home state. Again, it's the home stick. It's the whole of the ride. Enjoy the ride.
SPEAKER_01Hello, my horse friends, and welcome back to the horse fix, where you know you can get a horse fix, you can fix your horse, and you might even be able to help yourself along the way. I'm Dr. Sandra Holt, and I'm coming to you from my studio here in Longview, Texas. Boy, do I have a treat for you today. Guess what? Nora's back. I'm so excited to have her back in. She came to visit for a few days, and of course, we immediately scheduled to do a podcast together. And now many of you have asked about her and how it's going, and you want to know how your favorite horse friend is getting along. And so now you have a chance to find out. We're going to be working on a question from one of our listeners, and then we'll go on to talk about a few other things that are going on. So let's get started.
SPEAKER_02I'm here sitting across from you. It's such a nice visit.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's been wonderful. And you know, it's one of those things where we can not see each other for months on end, but we pick up right where we left off. Like I said, it'd be dangerous if I lived close to you. Yeah, that's what my husband says anyway. And I think I agree with him.
Pinto World Wins And Lessons
SPEAKER_01Nora, you've been busy with your horses. One of your horses recently went to the Penta World, and that's Mercedes. So tell the audience just how well Mercedes and our wonderful little Lexi did at the show.
SPEAKER_02Well, the registered name is this chick loves a gun, but her barn name's Mercedes. So she did really good at the Pinto World. She got three World Championships, two reserve champion awards. Yes.
SPEAKER_01And those were all in the ranch division, right? Yes, ranch and cow. And this is relatively new. I mean, actually brand new to Mercedes. Uh, just in this past year, you know, she was packing us around doing some showmanship, horsemanship, leisure, some walkt events, and a little bit of ranch riding. And by golly, she just stepped up, got introduced to cows, and just went with it. And I couldn't be more impressed. And I tell you what, the competition at the Penta World is really, really big. I wasn't expecting that myself with my new horse. And I mean, you're we're talking good competition. I have a whole new respect and a whole new attitude about the Penta World. Kudos to you and Mercedes and to the lovely young lady that had her on lease for a year, Lexi Schenkel from Shaw Performance Horses. And I gotta say, she and Mercedes did a great job together and very proud of Mercedes, and I'm proud of Lexi. And I'm really proud of Nora for allowing all this to take place and to do what she thought was the best thing for her horse for that particular time. My experience at the Pinto World was wonderful. I I had a great time. I had some great rides. I scored real high in some. I had some not so great rides, mostly due to pilot error, gotta admit. But I still walked out of there feeling, number one, blessed and grateful that I was able to do this. And number two, feeling like I learned something. Those two things alone just makes the horse showing worth it and keeps it in perspective because it's real easy. In fact, at one one point when I didn't even place, I felt really dejected and I felt I felt defeated, and I walked out with my head down and sat there for a while with my horse. My horse actually put his head on on my shoulder, you know, and I'm thinking, okay, Sandy, grow up. You know, that it's just showbiz and remember what you're here for. If I'm out there because I want to have fun, which at my age, this is where I am, then I gotta make sure that I remember that. And Nora, you and I have had some good times in the show pen together. Oh boy, I'll tell you. Yeah, and we we were talking, we were talking about that.
SPEAKER_02I've also been in the Hall of Shame at a few shows with my my my mare. She just had her baby and I and but well, the there wasn't a baby anymore. How old was player every year? He was yeah, he was a year. Here's the deal you don't want your your baby horse to be that close to you by the arena because I had four judges and I about ran them over. Yeah, it was in showmanship. Yeah, yeah. And I was I I went to Sandy, who was my trainer and friend at the time, and I said, Look, I'm done. I mean, I was embarrassed and I was like out of breath, and and you know, I was just done. I and I had two more classes, and she said, Oh no, you're not done. You got two more classes. I said, There is no way I'm gonna get in front of them judges again. And the one judge who I really literally really and Mr. Animal, he got out of that chair so quick. I'm I'm so glad because that man would have been in the hospital. And when he saw me back for the next class, oh that look, that look spoke volumes, and I just carried on, you know. And how did you do? And I did good, I did good, you know. But I I honestly that was yeah, you know, you it's just you know, you the going to the shows, obviously you want to you're I'm I'm a competitive person like Sandy. We're we I think we all are when we go there. But I I also want to have fun. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01You know, you know, but you know, it's not always about winning. That's right. That's right. And it and that was not your first show, but it was close to it. But what really, you know, what happened is, you know, the the mare was focused on the baby that was, you know, her colt was screaming. Screaming. And so she Nori didn't have the horse's mind at all. So I knew that I could do some things to fix that for the next time that she went in. So that's why I said, No, you know, you're going back in. She goes, No, I'm not. I said, Yes, you are. No. She said, No, I'm not. I said, You are going back in. I said, at least one more time, because I want to show you that you are capable of handling this situation. And she went in there and I placed high.
SPEAKER_02What I got from it, just analyzing everything, take chances. If your horse spooks a little bit with something, walk them through it. Just let them know there's no fear and don't have any limitations.
SPEAKER_01Right. And just like people with other people, they will feed off of your energy, they will feed off of your confidence. So if your horse shies from something and jumps sideways, if you show your confidence the way of helping them to be confident in you, they will become confident in themselves. I see it time and time again.
SPEAKER_02I guess now I look at it like, you know what? If you want to try to do some different maneuver with your horse and and you don't think your horse can try it or do it for your own fear, yeah, why don't you try it?
SPEAKER_01Exactly. I mean, what do you got to lose? I know. You know? I know. And you'd be surprised, guys, how how much your horse really can do for you. I gotta give a lot of credit to Alan Shaw. He's quite the trainer. He's one of those guys that does instill confidence in a horse from his own confidence and from his demeanor. He's no pushover by any stretch, and he won't let horses get away with what they shouldn't get away with. Yet he's very patient and he's very methodical and he gets the job done.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's obviously done a wonderful job with Mercedes, and they have a really great relationship. But we talked the last time on the podcast that you gotta really trust your trainer. Yes. You have to trust your trainer. You can't go in there and say, Well, why aren't you doing this or why aren't you doing that? I just zip my lips and just let them do. And that's hard for me, folks.
SPEAKER_01Okay, tell me.
SPEAKER_02That that is a hard situation. It's hard for me to zip my lips, but but anyhow, yeah, you just have to let them take over and trust their professionalism to get your horse, which is only going to be beneficial for you in the end. Right. You know, but you have to have that trust. You have to and and that that they have a high uh standing of of integrity too. Right, right. And I said, you know, take your time to choose your trainer for your horse. Yes.
SPEAKER_01Everybody's different. I'm glad you said that, Nora, because it's a perfect segue into one of the questions that came up my way just recently. It
Owner And Trainer Responsibilities
SPEAKER_01was from a lady named Shannon from Waco, Texas. And she says this I'm new to the whole horse ownership and using a trainer. What's the protocol and responsibilities of each? What should I expect? And what should the trainer expect from me? What Nora just said, I'm going to reiterate that, you know, you you do have to trust your trainer, and I mean that that's one of the key things. I happened to be on the phone this morning with the world-renowned man that I really trust and really enjoy talking to and and have a lot of admiration for, and that's Phil Hogan from Weatherford, Oklahoma. This guy knows his stuff. He was in the road to the horse last year, and I was so proud of him. Anyway, he has uh he's got great philosophies on horses. And I asked him that question, you know, knowing this, I was going to read this on the podcast, how do you divide up the responsibilities of horse owner and you as a trainer? And he said, number one is in his book, the first thing that an owner should understand is that communication is their number one responsibility, that they must communicate with the trainer in every respect. The history of the horse. Trainers are in a disadvantage. They get horses, they have no idea what the history of that horse is, whether it be good or whether it be bad. And sometimes, you know, they they have to find out trial and error. But he said, you know, communicate that. Also communicate what your expectations are. And many times, uh and we're all guilty of it, we have higher expectations for our horses, especially when they first engage with a trainer. We have higher expectations than we really should have. It's a slow process. You can't throw a horse to a trainer for 30 days and expect them to come out a world champion. It just doesn't happen. And that's Phil and I talked about this morning. So he was saying, you know, communication is is really key. And beyond that, for him, he's all trainers are different, of course, but for him, he doesn't like to be micromanaged. And like you said, Nora, you gotta trust your trainer. He doesn't want phone calls daily or uh or even weekly, really, and say, What are you doing? How's my horse going? What what's happening? He said he loves it when people come after a few weeks and watch, or if they'll check in with him. But he said, you know, asking for a million videos and you know, you're paying him for his services and you gotta trust that he's doing it right. Or he said, take it to another trainer, and he's he's okay with that. Anyway, that that was something that was very important.
SPEAKER_02Well, I you know, I I was all new to me several years ago when I started working with Sandy being my trainer. It was all new to me in general.
SPEAKER_01I gotta interject here. In the very beginning, it was all new to her, and she being Nora, the wonderful person she is, and the perfectionist and the detailed person she is, she not only called me once a day, she called me several times a day. Checking and and caring. I mean, because she cared and she just wanted the best and she was brand new to it. So I would say also on that end that the trainer's responsibility, especially in the beginning, is to be patient with the owner as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the thing is, you know, I was I was writing English. And when I moved to Texas, I I don't know, I walked in her barn, a long story, but anyhow, I fell in love with a Western Rainer. Okay, so I was used to 17 hands and I ended up with 14.2, and I was like, you know, what's going on here? It's a psychological thing, riding with no long neck and all that. But and also she was pregnant, so I I stuck my I I followed my gut in life and my instincts are pretty well, pretty good. And, you know, bought Lady and after she had the baby and was ready to go back into training, Sandy started training her, and I started I just I went up there a lot to watch her work with her and at the same time take lessons, you know, in between her training so I could understand it. I really think that you also have to have a great relationship with your trainer. You know, it's okay to ask a question or two, but it has to be logical. Yeah. And, you know, these trainers, you know, you have to evaluate whether or not that's going to be a good fit for you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and before you even start with them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Before you start with them. I mean, and you know, one of my stud cults was two years old that I took to a very well-known, right, renowned NRHA Rainer trainer. And he was nothing to mess with. I mean, he was like, This is what I'm gonna do. And he was, you know, very strict, and that's what it's gonna be if you want your horse training. And I thought, Wow, okay. So I just told Sandy when I first met him, I go, because she recommended him too, and I go, he won't even let me pet my colt and or give him a carrot. And she goes, Well, that's how he that's how he rolls. Yep. But you know what? You gotta respect it because Well, and and your horse was too.
SPEAKER_01I mean, yeah, you you that those beginning stages were really important.
SPEAKER_02Very much so. And they had to, you know, accept their memory of what they were being taught. Again, it, you know, you have to just have a meeting with the trainer, tell them every single thing about your horse, and say, you know, what can you tell me? You know, what can you advise me? And do a trial run if you can. Yeah. Let the trainer check out your horse and say, This is not the one I want to train, or these are the limitations, and then try to move on. You know, sometimes it's just like when you're going for the perfect job, you're interviewing to find out what's best for you and your horse. Okay, just like if you have to find a new position in a company. It's the same thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. You know, it's a it's a matter of research, it's it's a matter of going in and and being a detective and really analyzing where you want to be with you and your horse. And and like Phil said, be careful about your expectations. I mean, we're all guilty of it. And especially if we've had our horse for a little while and we want to get a trainer, and we think our horse is the absolute champion of the world horse before they're even two years old. We just know it. And so we take them to a trainer and then we sit back and think, okay, this is what's gonna happen. And it isn't always that way. But if you keep your lines of communication open with the trainer and the trainer does the same, then the trainer will will tell you if he's any good at all. He'll say, Okay, what we talked about in the beginning may not come to to be, but here's what will be. I got a new horse, they said, What are you gonna do with it? Well, it wasn't new horse, it was a baby that was growing up. What are you gonna do with her? I said, She'll tell me, and you know, and that's kind of way it is.
SPEAKER_02Well, so newsflash, folks, when I ended up having Mercedes go to Allen Shaw out of one year, I think I texted him two times out of the whole year and said, How is she doing? Mm-hmm. Because I trusted him. And Sandy told me he was a really phenomenal trainer, and that was it. That's all I needed to know. And he took her to levels that I never could imagine. I I didn't have to text him and say, What's going on, or what are you doing? Nothing. Right, right. I mean, he that was it.
SPEAKER_01Right. You know. So and and we're not suggesting that you just go blindly into an arrangement and and a contract with a trainer that you haven't researched first.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01You know, that's that's uh that's very, very important. As you move forward with with the progress with your horse, just decide for yourself, is this working out for my horse and and me? Sometimes there'll be a little thing that won't work out, not the fault of the trainers or the horse.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's just like any relationship. Yeah. If it's gonna be a good relationship, it has to be a two-way street.
SPEAKER_01And that brings me to another thought. A lot of people, they've they'll have their trainer for a long time. Then at some point, the honeymoon is over, people start going to horse shows, they look around, they think, okay, that trainer over there's non-pros are winning more than my trainer's non-pros are doing. I think I'll scoot on over there. Not knowing anything, just seeing something going on. Well, that's another area where you need to step back, and and you may be right, you know, but you need to step back and assess it, do some homework, talk to people, get a feel for what you're doing and how why you're doing it. It's like getting a divorce. I mean, when you leave your trainer and you've had a good relationship with them or any kind of really solid, ongoing, intense relationship, difficult on both ends for that to sever. It's up to you to make sure that you leave in a respectful, courteous way. Even if you think the trainer has slacked off, and stay on good terms. It's a small world out there, the horse world, and you can't stop people from talking. Thing I always say is no matter how flat the pancake, there's always two sides. So do be respectful and never never talk bad about a trainer, whether you think they're bad or not.
SPEAKER_02And also be patient. If your horse is green, you can't expect that horse to spin on a dime, which is just not gonna happen. Right. Okay. You have to be really realistic.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you do. Yeah. Yeah, that's the whole key right there. Be realistic. Also realize that you are stepping into something that's unknown. You have to depend on the person that knows. Like Nora said, trust your trainer.
Weaning Timing And Baby Horses
SPEAKER_01There's a lot of controversy out there as to when to wean a baby. And I know you don't want to talk to me about that. Well, you know, I think I think you have a good point. And although I think you're on the you're on the extreme when it comes to weaning a baby, I typically I let the baby and mom kind of tell me, like if the mom is getting real poor in her weight and it seems like, you know, that this is really draining her to have that baby by her side, I'll go ahead and wean them. And if the baby is strong and healthy, and but Nora, Nora has this sentiment about babies and their mothers, no matter what they are, human or animal, and she thinks they should be attached for a much longer time.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so you want me to announce it? Okay. Well, that's what I'm driving at. I've had veterinarians turn on me, okay? I've had veterinarians tell me, Nora, this Philly has got to get out of the stall from the mother, you know. And the filly was nine months. Okay, I'm gonna admit it. But you know, here's the deal, people. I'm looking at it on a medical side, because I'm in the medical field. And I was thinking, logically, I just kept my marrow, you know, on high grains. And I thought, okay, by the time the baby's still feeding off the mom, and they still do, okay. And then even if they're starting to eat hay, you know, all the vitamins and minerals from the mother's milk, I'm a firm believer in it. And I've had fabulous babies.
SPEAKER_01You have fabulous babies. But here's my question to you how do you handle the groundwork? When you have not separated them yet, you know, by nine months you should be doing quite a bit of groundwork with your horse. And I know you believe in groundwork. And we'll talk about that in a minute.
SPEAKER_02I don't do groundwork until they're totally separated. Yeah. And I think honestly, when you're when you're separating them to give them a little bit of patience and then get right in to me, I think it was like as soon as we separate them to keep them busy and their mind off of the baby not being there, it's best to start that groundwork back again. But that's what we did.
SPEAKER_01And with a baby. And with a baby. Now I start with groundwork day one, with baby getting a halter on them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And you're moving around only for a few s minutes at a time. But that that touch, that human touch and that part of their education is extremely important. And
Groundwork Builds Trust And Safety
SPEAKER_01it follows through. I feel like in the English world there's less groundwork. Don't you agree? Yes.
SPEAKER_02I feel so too. I I I tell you what, I I sometimes don't understand it for some disciplines. I just don't see that. And and for me personally, and being taught that and and reading about it, again, it's how do you build a relationship? Right. How do you build trust? Right. I want to feel my horse's energy. And when you're even on the lunch line, you know, when they're going around in that and you have control and you're making them stop and then turn, you're saying to them, okay, now respect me. Right. Right? Right. So by the time I do get on your back, you're gonna do what I want you to do. Yep. Because we're gonna, we got this relationship of back and forth. It's a two-way street. Yes. And I'm telling you, just with my mayor Mercedes, when I first got hurt, I did a lot of and I still did a lot of groundwork and will still do a lot of groundwork, is that by the time I got on her, you know, because there were times I said to Sandy, I I hope she stops when I say woe. Yeah. Because she's she can go, you know, real fast. And for me, I didn't want to get hurt. And so working her on the lunch line and making her woe and stop, you know, it's just the simple things. It is. And then it made me more confident, like, okay, hey, yep, with the satellite, she's gonna learn from and I I honestly feel that on the ground is everything. Everything.
SPEAKER_01It is it developing again back to Phil Hogan, developing a stream of communication, you know, developing that relationship. It's a process, it doesn't happen overnight. But if you're consistent and you ask first things the same way, and you ask for them often. That's how that's how we learn as humans, and that's how they learn as horses in the development of trust. It makes such a big difference. No offense to cowboys. I'm a married I'm married to one, but I'll be darned if I have met so many cowboys, especially in the rodeo world, sorry, Phil, but they they don't do their groundwork. And then they wonder why their horse runs through the bridle when they say whoa. Or wonder why, you know, their their horse isn't listening to them. Their horse hasn't learned to listen to them. The horse can be distracted easily because they haven't made a connection with them.
SPEAKER_02Every time I would ride a horse, every single time before I put the saddle on, I did groundwork. Yes. Every single time. I would not put a saddle on my mares or any horse of mine until I did groundwork.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because it that it's like setting the stage. It is. You're gonna get ready to do your dance. And before it's like, okay, here this is what we're gonna do. And then also, you can feel the mood they're in too. Are they gonna be laid back or are they gonna be going through a hormonal phase or what have you? I've had them too, you know. Yes, yes. And that's why I think, okay, like when Lady was, how should I say, in her hormonal phase, yeah, right? And so ovulating or what have you. Right, she would, she would be like intense. She was very married, yeah. Very, very marrish. And I thought, okay, well, how do I work through that? I'm gonna lunge her until she gets tired and work with her and get her down to a level to where I feel safe. Yeah. I can saddle her now. Right. She's calmer, yes, and I'm gonna get on her, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and some horses need that. Other horses need less lunging, but more asking and and getting them to tune into you. My husband laughs at me about this and says, You're you're full of it. Of course, like I said, he's got the old time way back when horsemanship mentality. But when I do, I do showmanship to warm my horse up before I get on it. Now, for those of you who don't know what horse showmanship is, it's when you lead your horse from the ground and you ask them to do certain maneuvers in respect to your body movement. So they're working off of your body. And it competitively, it's a it's a really, I think it's an awesome class. It really shows your connection with your horse. But what that does is when you when you warm up with showmanship, you get your horse to tune into you. I mean, you you walk forward, you ask them to stop, not by holding the lunge line, but just whoa. And then you ask them to square their feet up, put their legs underneath themselves and and stand properly. You ask them to pivot, and you ask them to back, and you ask them to trot forward, and you ask them to stop, and you ask them to do a square turn, a right hand turn, you ask them to do a loop, you ask them to speed up on their trot, you ask them to slow down on their trot, ask them to speed up on their walk, slow down on their walk, stop again. By the time you're finished with a 10-minute session of showmanship, that horse is listening.
SPEAKER_02I think it creates a fabulous bond. It really does. I mean, I feel it from my mares. It really does. I mean, it makes them feel like, oh wow, okay. You're interested in me. Just like a little child, you know? Yeah. We're gonna have a good moment. Feel that energy. It's amazing. And like it's a wonderful time, and it's a wonderful feeling. And even if you don't saddle your horse afterwards, you're still gonna walk away feeling satisfied. Yep. And that horse is gonna feel satisfied too.
SPEAKER_01Yep, yep. And like you said, Nora, that that's a chance for you to to gauge how your horse is that day. And it's a chance for you to gauge how you are that day. How effective are you being with your horse? Are you distracted by work or distracted by disagreement you had with someone or what you have to buy at the grocery store later on that day? If you're distracted by any of those thoughts, your horse does pick up on it, then you're not effective. So, you know, you it gives you a moment to check in with yourself and with the horse so that when you do get on, things are working.
SPEAKER_02So it's
Showmanship As Warmup And Zen
SPEAKER_02true psychology behind that because I have I have businesses that are very stressful and I've had them for many, many years. And when I would go to the barn, the phone was shut off, and I had to concentrate on what I was gonna do and and also respect that I didn't want my horse to feel my stress. Right, right. So at that point I had to, I think also working on the ground helped me come down a few notches. Yeah. Okay. And not worry about everything. And I I I I tell you what, I just didn't focus on anything except being with the horse and what I had to do. And then when it was time to ride and all that, and then when I did do well, or even if I didn't do well, when it was done, I felt some sense of accomplishment. And it was a wonderful what I call my Zen time. Yep. And and I'll tell you something, I made some of my best business decisions while riding my horse and when training in my lessons and all that. When I get in the car, I'm like, oh wait, that's what I need to do. Yeah. You got clarity of your mind.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Yes, you cleared your mind. As I say, folks, if you're busy and you're working hard and all that, put the phone away, shut it off, do what you gotta do, do your groundwork, get on your horse, and you'll come to another level. And I think there's a lot of, I think there's even books written on that psychologically, yeah. Where you can get mentally to a point where, okay, you have removed everything, and sometimes we need to breathe in our own circle.
SPEAKER_01Yep, yeah, yeah. Meditation, basically. Yes. But it here's the thing to be effective with a horse, I believe that you have to think and train like a horse. Horses live in the now. It's been totally proven, no question about it. They live in the now. So you need to live in the now when you're with them. So uh it's you and the horse. It's nothing else. Nobody and nothing else. And when you can get to that level with your horse, then you if you have it 90%. You know, you never get 100%, but you can get up to 90%. Like Phil says, my favorite thing about Phil Hogan is he says every day, be your best. And when you are your best for your horse, your horse will will be the best for you. And you can't be you can't be half-ass with your horse and expect the horse to be at its best. So, okay, well, Shannon, I hope that we answered your question as much as you wanted us to. I have another one more question before we
Rope Halter Versus Flat Halter
SPEAKER_01end. So this question comes from Sandy from Lake Fork, Texas. I've been meaning to get a new halter. Presently I have a rope halter. I've always thought that rounder rope across the top of their noses can't be comfy. Should I look into a certain brand if I change? So that's a great question. A lot of people have that question. And let me tell you the difference between the two. They have they have different functions. The rope halter has, and you you notice that it's tied, it's tied with knots at certain areas. There's one or two knots set over the bridge of the nose, and then there's there can be knots at the side of their cheeks. And those are pressure points for the horse. So many times that rope halter helps in your training and helps in your groundwork. It gives them a signal. So if you put pressure on that rope, then it'll press against, like kind of like a Bozelle would or hackamore would, against the side of the nose, and uh and then press into the cheeks bones, and it signals the horse to stop or to listen or to turn or to look back and listen to what you're asking. So whenever I've used rope halters, it's been for that purpose only. But I for every horse, including the babies, I for an everyday use, I always use the flat nylon halters. I get the strongest I can get. I don't try and get the cheap bargain ones that are capable of breaking. I get ones that have good hardware on them. And you can also buy them padded if you're concerned about their how they feel. And of course, there's always the leather halter, too, that we use when we go to the horse shows that are flat and that if you pad them, they're comfortable. They do sweat. They can that sweat can cause the leather to crack. So it it's a maintenance thing is if you use a leather halter that you need to keep it clean and keep it oiled. Nora, what kind of halter do you use?
SPEAKER_02I used uh I don't I've never used a rope halter. I for some reason I I've I never felt confident with that. And and I I don't know. I've always stuck to the other version. And then of course only the leather ones for shows or whatever. Right. I never used a rope halter.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and you know, they look flimsy, but they really are, like I said, they have those pressure points. And so if you're needing something like that, I'm not one of these people that would use it all the time. And I see I know some people do. That's the only thing they go to and they believe in it. So to me, that's an unnecessary thing to do every day. Okay. Well, I hope, Sandy, that helped you out. I think we're gonna wind it up for the day, Nora. Are you okay with that?
SPEAKER_02Yes, hey, everybody. Uh, send in more questions so we can answer them. Hey, very nice to sit here with you today, my good friend. Thank you, Nora. I'll tell you what, this lady has taught me so much over so many years of horses and babies and your name and life in general. Hey, um, enjoy your ride, everybody. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00And until next time, may all your blues be. And the silent friend there by your side. We're here for that horse fix. Navigating the tricks that this wild ride alive connects. Learn and grow and then finding yourself again. It's the horse fix. Take what you learn till next time. We'll see you on the next ride.